A Sticky Situation

Posted: December 5, 2011 in Bridlington, England, idiots, Morons, protestors

“When I started taking my clothes off, a man said ‘You can’t do that in here!’,” says Ian Robinson, 43. The former mail carrier was at the Jobcentre in Bridlington, England, and his purpose was protest. “So I went over and glued myself to his desk,” Robinson continued. He says he’s upset that he had not been awarded government benefits over the pain he sufferers from arthritis, so he resorted to a mid-morning Full Monty. “A society is judged on how it treats the sick and leaving them without disability benefit is criminal,” he says. The Jobcentre called police and an ambulance, so Robinson pried himself up because “I didn’t want to put the ambulance people to the trouble.” This was not Robinson’s first protest: he also glued himself to a counter at a department store over a dispute with his bill.

A THOUGHT: I would protest the glue store too – the glue they sell clearly isn’t strong enough.

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Barbara Walters comments on Jane Fonda

Barbara  Walters said:

“Thank you all.  Many  died in Vietnam for our freedoms.  I did not like Jane Fonda then and I don’t like her  now. She can lead her present life the way she wants and  perhaps SHE can forget the past, but we DO NOT  have to stand by without comment and see her ‘honored’ as a ‘Woman of the Century’.  
(I remember this well)
For those who, like me, served and/or died…


and now President OBAMA wants to honor her…!!!!

In Memory of LT. C. Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton [Famous North Vietnam Prison]


This is for all the kids born in the 70’s and after who do not remember, and didn’t have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bare.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the ‘100 Women of the Century’.


 Unfortunately,  many have forgotten and still countless others  have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during the Vietnam War.

 The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The  pilot’s name is Jerry Driscoll, a “River Rat”.  In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ‘Hanoi Hilton.’         

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ’s, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American ‘Peace Activist’ the ‘lenient and humane treatment’ he’d received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away.  During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant’s feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant’s frenzied application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E’s). He spent 6 years in  the ‘Hanoi Hilton’… the first three of which his family only knew he was ‘missing in action’. His wife lived on faith that he was still  alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up,  fed and clothed routine in preparation for a  ‘peace delegation’ visit.

They, however,  had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived.  Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of  his hand.  When paraded before Ms. Fonda  and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man’s hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: ‘Aren’t you sorry you bombed babies?’ and ‘Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?’  Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.              

She took them all without missing a beat.. at the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper…  

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese  communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held  prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a  cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a ‘black box’  in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Banme Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)

We were Jane Fonda’s ‘war criminals….’

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist  political officer if I would be willing to meet with her.  I said yes, for I wanted to tell  her about the real treatment we POWs  received… and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as ‘humane and  lenient.’

Because of this, I spent  three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight  placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet  with Jane Fonda soon after I was released.  I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV.  She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored  as part of ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ Lest we forget….’100 Years of Great Women’ should  never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There  are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane’s participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to  forward to as many people as you possibly can.  It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget!

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The following photograph on videos show that Marine veteran Scott Olsen was peacefully standing at the Oakland protest when police fired a projectile at him:

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Here is a photo of the ammunition or projectiles which police shot at the Oakland protesters:

Karl Denninger argues that the police intended to hit Olsen in the head:

One ex-Marine — a combat veteran — took a rubber round in the head. He is in critical condition and may die. That was not a mistake; that was aimed fire and an intentional assassination. Sorry folks, that’s facts – from 50′ you don’t “miss” and hit someone in the head with these things if you’re shooting for the legs or other non-vital parts. He was shot in the head by someone who aimed for the head. Those projectiles are not “non-lethal” and the bomb thrown by a cop at the people trying to come to his assistance after he fell wasn’t tossed accidentally either.

A marine says that Oakland used crowd control methods that are prohibited in war zones, and that the shot must have been intentional:

Before gas goes into a crowd shield bearers have to be making no progress moving a crowd or crowd must be assaulting the line. Not with sticks and stones but a no bullshit assault. 3 warnings must be given to the crowd in a manner they can hear that force is about to be used. Shield bearers take a knee and CS gas is released in grenade form first to fog out your lines because you have gas masks. You then kick the canisters along in front of your lines. Projectile gas is not used except for longer ranged engagement or trying to steer the crowd ( by steering a crowd I mean firing gas to block a street off ). You also have shotguns with beanbags and various less than lethal rounds for your launchers. These are the rules for a WARZONE!!
How did a cop who is supposed to have training on his weapon system accidentally SHOOT someone in the head with a 40mm gas canister? Simple. He was aiming at him.
I’ll be the first to admit a 40mm round is tricky to aim if you are inexperienced but anyone can tell the difference between aiming at head level and going for range.
The person that pulled that trigger has no business being a cop. He sent that round out with the intention of doing some serious damage to the protestors. I don’t care what the protestors were doing. I never broke my rules of engagement in Iraq or Afghanistan. So I can’t imagine what a protester in the states did to deserve a headshot with a 40mm. He’s damn lucky to be alive and that cop knows he was using lethal force against a protester he is supposed to be protecting.

A poster at Occupy Marines Facebook makes the following comment:

You can see Scott Olsen standing, with his BACK TOWARDS THE COPS moments before being shotWatch close- the guy who shot him can be seen backing away from the fence and lowering his shotgun (he musta been less then 5 feet from Scott when he shot him in the head….) he then goes behind two other cops and THROWS THE FLASH BANG himself at the people trying to save them. (the other two cops don’t move, but this guys steps back and then forward just as the flash bang is tossed – other two cops in that section don’t even twitch as the flashbang is tossed)
Same Guy shot him and then tossed the FlashBang at the people trying to save him.

The policemen firing seemed to be having a little too much fun:

A protester also says the police shot him with a rubber bullet when he helped carry Scott Olsen to safety after he had been injured:

The Oakland police violated their own rules (page 9), and they would have violated the Geneva Convention against targeting wounded combatants or those attempting to render medical aid.

No wonder even Amnesty International has condemned the use of tear gas as well as the actions of Mayor Jean Quan of Oakland, who said the measures were justified because protesters threw rocks. Although the Obama administration and the Department of Justice has shown no interest in investigating.

As Marine Sergeant Shamar Thomas – who stood up to the New York policenotes:

I was involved in a RIOT in Rutbah, Iraq 2004 and we did NOT treat the Iraqi citizens like they are treating the unarmed civilians in our OWN Country. No one was brutalized because our mission was to ‘WIN the hearts and minds.’ why should I expect anything less in my OWN Country.


Olsen is a decorated veteran, who was an extremely hard-working network engineer:

Scott Olsen, 24, joined the protests as he worked his day job as a network engineer and left his apartment each night to sleep alongside protesters in San Francisco and Oakland, Calif., Keith Shannon said.
*** Olsen, who is originally from Wisconsin, served two tours of duty in Iraq, makes a good living at a San Francisco software company and had a hillside apartment that overlooks San Francisco Bay.
Each night, he would go out to the tent camps that have sprung up over the past month in cities as the movement spread to protest economic inequality and what they see as corporate greed.
People at OPSWAT, the company where Olsen works, were devastated after learning of his injuries. They described him as a humble, quiet guy who worked hard over long hours.
“He’s been a big piece of what we do here and our growth strategy, so obviously it’s pretty devastating for us that he’s in the shape he’s in,” said Jeff Garon, the company’s director of marketing.
Olsen was awarded seven medals while serving in the U.S. Marine Corps, which he left as a lance corporal in November 2009 after serving for four years.
He went on two tours in Iraq, one in 2006-2007 and another in 2008, where he worked as a datanetwork specialist. He was awarded seven medals, including the Navy-Marine Corps Achievement Medal, according to the Marine Corps.

Olsen’s condition has been upgraded from critical to “fair”, although neurologists say that he may require brain surgery.


The increasing militarization of U.S. police departments is clearly the problem (more).

In October 2010, the Oakland Tribune reported:

An Oakland police SWAT team finished second in a prestigious, internationally known training competition this past weekend, losing out to a group of Israeli police but beating more than two dozen other Bay Area law enforcement agencies that participated.

Indeed, the Alameda County Sheriff has hosted some of these Swat competitions (Oakland is in Alameda County, California).

And the militarization of police forces throughout the United States cannot be taken in a vacuum. The bigger pictures is that the government is using anti-terrorism laws to crush dissent.

Some are comparing police brutality towards the Occupy protesters to that used by Israeli forces against Palestinian protesters. Indeed, numerous heads of U.S. police departments have traveled to Israel for “anti-terrorism training”, and received training from Israeli anti-terrorism experts visiting the U.S. See this, this, this, this.

VETERANS ARE NOT AMUSED BY THE ATTACK ON OLSEN Veterans are not amused by an attack on one of their own:


Apparently, veterans led the march to re-occupy Oakland after Olsen was injured.

And see this.

ANONYMOUS RELEASES POLICE INFORMATION Anonymous released a video in support of Olsen:

The group also temporarily took down the Oakland police website, and released personal information about Oakland police officers.

MAYOR BACKS DOWN And the Mayor of Oakland has now done an about-face, saying the protesters can stay and that she “supports” them.

TUCSON, Ariz. — Jose Guerena Ortiz was sleeping after an exhausting 12-hour night shift at a copper mine. His wife, Vanessa, had begun breakfast. Their 4-year-old son, Joel, asked to watch cartoons.

An ordinary morning was unfolding in the middle-class Tucson neighborhood — until an armored vehicle pulled into the family’s driveway and men wearing heavy body armor and helmets climbed out, weapons ready.

They were a sheriff’s department SWAT team who had come to execute a search warrant. But Vanessa Guerena insisted she had no idea, when she heard a “boom” and saw a dark-suited man pass by a window, that it was police outside her home. She shook her husband awake and told him someone was firing a gun outside.

A U.S. Marine veteran of the Iraq war, he was only trying to defend his family, she said, when he grabbed his own gun — an AR-15 assault rifle.

What happened next was captured on video after a member of the SWAT team activated a helmet-mounted camera.

The officers — four of whom carried .40-caliber handguns while another had an AR-15 — moved to the door, briefly sounding a siren, then shouting “Police!” in English and Spanish. With a thrust of a battering ram, they broke the door open. Eight seconds passed before they opened fire into the house.

And 10 seconds later, Guerena lay dying in a hallway 20 feet from the front door. The SWAT team fired 71 rounds, riddling his body 22 times, while his wife and child cowered in a closet.

“Hurry up, he’s bleeding,” Vanessa Guerena pleaded with a 911 operator. “I don’t know why they shoot him. They open the door and shoot him. Please get me an ambulance.”

When she emerged from the home minutes later, officers hustled her to a police van, even as she cried that her husband was unresponsive and bleeding, and that her young son was still inside. She begged them to get Joel out of the house before he saw his father in a puddle of blood on the floor.

But soon afterward, the boy appeared in the front doorway in Spider-Man pajamas, crying.

The Pima County Sheriff’s Department said its SWAT team was at the home because Guerena was suspected of being involved in a drug-trafficking organization and that the shooting happened because he arrived at the door brandishing a gun. The county prosecutor’s office says the shooting was justified.

But six months after the May 5 police gunfire shattered a peaceful morning and a family’s life, investigators have made no arrests in the case that led to the raid. Outraged friends, co-workers and fellow Marines have called the shooting an injustice and demanded further investigation. A family lawyer has filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit against the sheriff’s office. And amid the outcry in online forums and social media outlets, the sheriff’s 54-second video, which found its way to YouTube, has drawn more than 275,000 views.

The many questions swirling around the incident all boil down to one, repeated by Vanessa Guerena, as quoted in the 1,000-page police report on the case:

“Why, why, why was he killed?”

Outside the family’s stucco home, a giant framed photo of Guerena in his Marine uniform sat placed in the front bay window, American flags waved in the yard and signs condemning his death were taped to the garage door.

The 27-year-old Guerena had completed two tours in Iraq, and a former superior there was among those who couldn’t make sense of his death.

Leo Verdugo said Guerena stood out among other Marines for his maturity and sense of responsibility. Verdugo, who retired as a master sergeant last year after 25 years in the Marines, placed Guerena in charge of an important helicopter refueling mission in the remote west desert of Iraq.

“He had a lot of integrity and he was a man of his word,” Verdugo said.

Verdugo, who also lives in Tucson, said Guerena came to him for advice in 2006 about whether to retire from the Marines and apply to the Border Patrol.

When Verdugo ran into Guerena and his wife at a Motor Vehicle Department office about a month before Guerena was killed, Verdugo said that Guerena told him that the Border Patrol had turned him down because of problems with his vision and that he had instead taken a mining job.

Those who worked with Guerena at ASARCO’S Mission Mine said the man they knew would never be a part of drug smuggling.

“I don’t care what the cops say. I don’t believe for one moment Jose was involved in anything illegal,” said Sharon Hargrave, a co-worker, adding through tears: “They were judge, jury and executioner, and there was no excuse.”

Guerena worked as a “helper” at two crushers in the mine, shoveling piles of rocks that fall from conveyor belts and wheel-barrowing heavy debris. “No one in their right mind” would choose this work, which paid about $41,000 a year, if they were bringing in drug smuggling money, Hargrave said.

“He was a hell of a worker,” she said. “He’s got good judgment and I could trust him.”

She said Guerena talked constantly about his wife and two sons, Joel and Jose Jr., 5, who’d gone to school the morning of the shooting. “I know he was definitely in love with his wife and in love with his kids,” she said.
Kevin Stephens, a chief steward at Mission mine and head of the miners’ union there, said bluntly: “Personally, I think he was murdered, and that is the feeling that is out here.”

But the sheriff’s office said just because Guerena was a Marine and worked at a mine doesn’t mean he couldn’t be involved in drug trafficking.

“We know from our experiences that good people turn their lives around and do bad things, and this guy was bad irrespective of his honorable discharge as a Marine,” said sheriff’s chief of investigations Rick Kastigar.
He said Guerena was suspected of involvement in a drug operation that specialized in ripping off other smugglers. One tip held that Guerena was “the muscle” of the organization, or in Kastigar’s words, “the individual that was directed to exact revenge.”

An affidavit supporting the search warrant that precipitated the raid describes the department’s suspicions about Guerena in a drug investigation that appeared more focused on his brother, and his brother’s father-in-law. Guerena’s brother does not have a listed number and other family members have ignored written requests from the AP for comment.

Sheriff’s Capt. Chris Nanos, who heads the criminal investigations division and oversaw the Guerena case, said that high-powered rifles and bulletproof vests that were found in Guerena’s home after the shooting back up investigators’ belief that Guerena was involved in drug trafficking. A shotgun found in the home was reported stolen in Tucson in 2008.

In the affidavit, sheriff’s Detective Alex Tisch laid out the case against Guerena’s family. It details two instances of drug seizures, one in April 2009 in which Jose Guerena was found in a home with other people who had just dropped off 1,000 pounds of marijuana at a separate residence, and another in October 2009 in which a man who had met with Guerena’s brother was found with drugs and weapons.

Neither Guerena nor his brother was charged.

The affidavit also cites two traffic stops of Jose Guerena.

The first was on Jan. 28, 2009, when an officer pulled Guerena and two other men over north of Tucson. The officer seized a gun from Guerena, a marijuana pipe from Guerena’s cousin and marijuana hidden in canisters of lemonade and hot cocoa that were under the feet of Guerena’s friend.

The officer arrested Guerena on charges of weapons misconduct, marijuana possession and possession of drug paraphernalia. But prosecutors filed no charges against him.

The other stop came Sept. 15, 2009, when the sheriff’s office pulled over a truck leaving the home of Guerena’s brother. Jose Guerena was in the passenger seat and another man was driving. Officers searched the truck and found commercial-sized rolls of plastic wrap that they say are commonly used to package marijuana. No arrests were made.

Tisch wrote in the affidavit that the past arrests of Guerena and members of his family, combined with observations during months of surveillance led detectives to believe that the family was operating a mid-level drug-trafficking organization in the Tucson area.

The investigation is ongoing, the sheriff’s office says.

After the SWAT video circulated, people who didn’t know Guerena traveled from as far as California to march in protest of his shooting, and an Alaska woman began an online petition calling for a federal investigation of the SWAT team. Hundreds of people across the country have written on several Facebook pages dedicated to Guerena with messages that include, “He fought for our country, now we must fight for him.”

The Guereno family’s lawyer, Christopher Scileppi, filed a lawsuit on their behalf seeking damages from the sheriff’s office, the officers involved in the shooting and other officials. The lawsuit didn’t specify how much money the family was seeking, but a notice of claim filed Aug. 9 put the amount at $20 million.

“During this investigation, extremely little evidence, if any, was found to raise even a suspicion that Jose Guerena was involved in any possible drug trafficking ring,” the notice says.

Scileppi said the fact that Guerena had been fired at 71 times and hit 22 times was “grotesque,” and “almost a caricature of an overly excited group of poorly trained law enforcement agents.”

Kastigar sharply disputed that, calling the Pima County SWAT team one of the best of its kind in the nation. “We’re not a bunch of country bumpkins in southern Arizona with big bellies and cowboy hats,” he said.

The shooting was justified, he said, because Guerena pointed his AR-15 at the SWAT officers and said, “I’ve got something for you,” before they opened fire.

The five SWAT team members who shot Guerena believed that he had fired his weapon first, he said. Subsequent investigation revealed that the gun’s safety was on and hadn’t been fired. Ultimately, that is not an issue, Kastigar said.

“What reasonable person comes to the front door and points a rifle at people?” he said. “It takes several milliseconds to flip the switch from safety to fire and take out a couple of SWAT officers. I’m firmly of the opinion that he was attempting to shoot at us.”

The officers laid down “suppressive” fire because one had tripped and fallen and the others thought he’d been shot.

“You point a gun at police, you’re going to get shot,” Kastigar said.

The five officers who shot Guerena declined to speak to the AP through Mike Storie, a police union lawyer who represents them and defends their actions.

“Anytime that they are faced with a serious, imminent and deadly threat, they are entitled and justified to use deadly force,” he said. “And when Guerena came around the corner and lifted an AR-15 and pointed it at them, that provided the justification.”

An independent expert, Chuck Drago, a former longtime SWAT officer for Fort Lauderdale, Fla., police who now does consulting on use of force and other law enforcement issues, said that the shooting itself appeared justified.

“It’s a horrible, horrible tragedy, but if they walked in the door and somebody came at them with an assault rifle, that would be a justifiable response,” said Drago. “It doesn’t matter whether he’s innocent or not.”
But after examining elements of the search affidavit, Drago questioned whether the sheriff’s office truly had probable cause.

“When you back up and look at why they’re there in the first place and whether the search warrant was proper, my mind starts struggling,” Drago said. “There are a lot of things that don’t make a lot of sense.”

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City police officials continued to investigate Monday after an off-duty police officer fatally shot an unarmed Marine outside a nightclub early Saturday.

According to Baltimore City police, Tyrone Brown – a 32-year-old Marine who has served two tours of duty in Iraq – was shot at 13 times at close range, with six shots hitting him. He died a short time later.The incident happened outside a nightclub in Mount Vernon.Baltimore police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said the officer, identified as 36-year-old Gahji Tshamba, shot Brown after Brown made advances toward a woman who was with the officer.

“After the advances, the officer and the individual exchanged words,” Gugliemi said. “There was an argument, and the altercation turned physical. At that point, the officer pulled out his service weapon and fired multiple shots at our victim.”Brown’s sister said she was there when her brother was shot. She said they were out at about 1:30 a.m. Saturday when they approached a group of people – including the off-duty officer – leaving Eden’s Lounge.

“There was absolutely no physical contact,” said La-Belle Scott, Brown’s sister. “The supposed officer was not in any harm whatsoever. He (Brown) had his hands up to show he didn’t have no weapons or anything.”Scott said her brother tried to diffuse the situation.”My brother tried to approach him, saying, ‘Calm down, calm down. All this is uncalled for.’ And, the next thing you know, several shots rang out. It was maybe eight or nine shots that rang out, and then, all I know is my brother is telling me, ‘I’m shot,'” Scott said.Brown’s family said they’re having a hard time understanding the whole situation, saying Brown wasn’t a violent man.

“My brother was supposed to walk me down the aisle next month. I’m getting married on July 24, and he would’ve walked me down the aisle and he’s not here.”
– La-Belle Scott,
Tyrone Brown’s Sister

“It’s just crazy that he would have to shoot 13 times at an unarmed man,” Scott said. “He was a loving, caring person. (He) always looked out for everybody. He loved his kids. His family came first.”Brown is survived by a wife and two children.”Tyrone was the love of my life. I don’t know how else to put it,” said Brown’s wife, Loren. “We just (have to) take it one step at a time, one day at a time and just put it in God’s hands. That’s all I can do.” As they gather to support each other, the family said they have one wish for the future.”I just hope justice will be served because my brother was supposed to walk me down the aisle next month. I’m getting married on July 24, and he would’ve walked me down the aisle and he’s not here,” Scott said.

The state’s attorney’s office will review the evidence and decide whether to file charges, which also is customary, he said. Police said they are investigating whether alcohol was a factor. The officer declined to take an alcohol breath test. Guglielmi said Tshamba, a 15-year-veteran, shot a man in the foot after a confrontation while off duty in 2005. The shooting was found to be justified, but Tshamba was disciplined because he was under the influence of alcohol.Police Commissioner Frederick H. Bealefeld III has ordered his senior commanders to oversee the investigation. Officers typically carry their service weapons while off-duty in Baltimore, but Guglielmi said they should not be carrying their guns if they intend to become intoxicated.

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A 54-year-old Charleston, W.V., man was distraught over his recent breakup, so he went to his ex-girlfriend’s house with a .380-caliber handgun, put it to his head, and threatened to shoot himself if she didn’t take him back. Eventually, she convinced him to put the gun down, but he then accidentally shot himself in the left hand and left foot. Police are not releasing the man’s name.

A THOUGHT: Who cares! I just want to know if she took him back.

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When Chaz Ursomanno, 22, of Seminole, Fla., pulled out his pistol, his girlfriend, Naomi Ensell, 24, objected. Don’t worry, Ursomanno told her: the gun was “safe and unloaded.” To prove that, he put it to his head and pulled the trigger. Nothing happened. “Confident it was empty, he repeated this again,” said a Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office spokesman. The gun was, in fact, loaded, and this time it fired. Ursomanno was hospitalized in “serious” condition.

A THOUGHT: I’m more interested in Ensell’s condition after watching that.

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